City Commission Changes Ordinance To Include Gay, Lesbian, Transgender
Todd Pittenger - Mon 04:59 PM 09/10/2012
Salina City Commissioners listen as citizens speak.
A small group of protesters gathered outside the Salina Community Theater late Monday afternoon as Salina City Commissioners and a large crowd gathered inside to discuss, and to make a decision on a proposed controversial ordinance change. Commissioners were considering changing the city anti-discrimination ordinance.
Commissioners heard well over two hours of testimony from numerous people both for and against the change. Some of the testimony was very passionate.
Salina Community Theater Executive Director Michael Spicer estimated the crowd to be at around 200 people.
Ultimately, by a 3 - 2 vote, commissioners elected to change the anti-discrimination ordinance to include sexual orientation and gender identity. The ordinance will prohibit discrimination of gay, lesbian, or transgender residents in the areas of employment, housing and public accommodations.
Vice Mayor Barb Shirley and Commissioners Aaron Householter and Kaye Crawford voted for the ordinance change. Mayor Norm Jennings and Commissioner Samantha Angell voted against it.
Monday's meeting was the culmination of several months of discussion, and public meetings on the issue. As part of the process, the city hosted three public forums on the issue.
The Salina Human Relations Commission also twice discussed the issue. Those commissioners voted 7 - 1 to recommend that the city pass the ordinance change.
Prior to to the public forum, Salina City Manager Jason Gage said that those opposed to the ordinance change could ultimately get it put on a ballot for a public vote to overturn via a petition drive. He advised anyone considered doing that to first contact the city attorney.
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ROCKER
Monday 14 May 2012 20:06 Report this comment
THANKS COMMISIONERS ,now when someone tells a a gay, lesbian or transgender joke, poke or such ,and people get offended ,,,someones going to get a big payday,,,, repricushions will be made ,,,,,,
ROCKER
Monday 14 May 2012 20:07
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Iamgonnagetu
Monday 14 May 2012 20:30 Report this comment
Time to get the recall petitions out. These 3 commissioners need to be gone. Aaron and Barb definately as they both lied to us to get elected and its time they are recalled and we get people in there who have the majority of the taxpayers wants and concerns in mind not a few special interest groups. As for Kaye she has been making bad decisions far to long and goodbye to her also.
banger
Monday 14 May 2012 20:47 Report this comment
Upon arriving @ Hell, I will get out of the hand basket.
chainsaw
Monday 14 May 2012 20:51 Report this comment
So let me get this right, now men who think they are women can go into public womens roons and locker rooms, and women who think they are men can go into mens roons? hmmmm, Dont think thats a good idea. This has been overturned in every city that has tried it, i dont think the commisioners are voteing for the majority of the people in Salina, special rights for special groups is NOT the American way!!!!! I know I only said one point, I could go on and on, but this is wrong, get it on the ballot and lets see what the people of Salina really want!!!
THEENFORCER
Monday 14 May 2012 21:37 Report this comment
chainsaw you are so right. but lets look at this another way. old barb who voted for this will have guys sharing her stall in the women's rooms she goes in. I hope she remembers when this occurs how she voted and that she will be gone off the commission shortly. It does not pay to get elected any longer by misrepresentation of one's self. As for Aaron he to will probably see some transgenders in the men's room with him. But he may enjoy it he's such a wus. I will be looking for the recall positions to sign.
THEENFORCER
Monday 14 May 2012 21:38 Report this comment
A message to the gays you may have won a battle but you will lost the war in Salina.
sking
Monday 14 May 2012 23:06 Report this comment
Great a bunch of know it all's. Google recall. You can not recall someone bc you don't agree with the way they vote. Good job to the three. Salina cries they want change and new commissioners blah, blah blah. You get fresh blood and forward thinkers. Then still cry blah blah blah
Iamgonnagetu
Monday 14 May 2012 23:37 Report this comment
Thanks to these 3 commissioners Salina is now the joke of Kansas. And yes they can be recalled.
MyPostinID
Monday 14 May 2012 23:52 Report this comment
Interesting, on the Salina Journal site, where peoples names are with their posts, they are supportive of this action. Here on KSALLINK where people can hide who they are, they are not supportive. I dont know what ROCKER wrote, but dont think they are ROCKING anymore :)
grnthums
Monday 14 May 2012 23:59 Report this comment
Have any of you used a public bathroom @ a kwik shop lately? They already have unisex bathrooms, people wake up its not about what u think about any one but your selves. Take care of your own and let it be.I mind my own business, now can't you do the same? (while you think Salina is the joke in Kansas you miss the real one that Kansas is the joke in most of the other states.)Proud to say not born here and I will leave @ retirement and take our money with us..... BYE BYE PS. THANKS COMMISSIONERS (REALLY thanks for your forward thinking welcome to the 21st century Salina)
cjsmessage
Tuesday 15 May 2012 01:22 Report this comment
Hey I guess I have never seen the commissioners before...THAT WAS A very poor picture of them unless they act like that all the time...YES I think we need some different ones in there Definitely...NONE of them had a smile for the camera & they didnt look like they knew what they were there for...Sorry--- but try to pose and fake it next time...so it isnt such an embarrassment on the internet about Salina...I was shocked!!!!!
getumgranny
Tuesday 15 May 2012 06:32 Report this comment
As I have said throughout this whole thing, You can pass any ordinance you want, but you cannot control what people think and feel in regards to ANY issue. People that make a choice to not accept this will not change their minds all of a sudden and decide it's ok just because they put an ordinance in place. The ones that were in support of this better not get too comfortable with it because I have a feeling when those flood gates open up, this ordinance will be reversed. It will not affect me personally one way or the other because I will be one of the ones that will not be changing my mind on this issue. This may feel like a victory to the Gay/Lesbian/Transgender supporters, but I suspect there will be some problems down the road on this.
t-bone
Tuesday 15 May 2012 07:06 Report this comment
sounds like its officially open season. but if thats the way they want it then be it. best if you just stay in your closet.
tellthetruth
Tuesday 15 May 2012 07:48 Report this comment
So all a sexual offender has to do is claim that they were not rented to because they are homosexual and they get to live wherever they want. I'm not saying that homosexuals are sex offenders-I'm just saying that this opens the door to anyone and everyone that wants to do perverted things. Since there is no physical proof that you are homosexual, no one can dispute your claim. I have to agree with Andrew Couch--we need to wait and see what the state does, because if their bill passes as it is, this will all be a moot point. We do not need legislation to condone sin. Murderers have claimed that they can't help it-God made them that way-for years and years, do they get special treatment? Are we going to have to let them out of jail for their crimes because now they are being discriminated against?
onlooker
Tuesday 15 May 2012 08:17 Report this comment
I am ashamed to say I ever called Salina,Ks home. What a bunch of backwoods hillbillies you all sound like. Straight neanderthals (pun intended). I feel so lucky that I live in a wonderful city where people can live the lifestyle they choose, and people aren't so quick to judge. Get with the program people. This isn't 1950.
GETALIFE674
Tuesday 15 May 2012 08:26 Report this comment
onlooker we are so happy you moved on we do not need your kind here. mypostinid just was on that site saw 2 comments both against what occurred but the story info was good.
GETALIFE674
Tuesday 15 May 2012 08:38 Report this comment
It seems a petition is being worked on which will be presented to the commission, It needs a percentage of signatures of the last election that people voted probably about 5000. If that is gotten then this has to be put to a public vote. Also if the commissioners refuse to accept it this ordiance is null and void.
GETALIFE674
Tuesday 15 May 2012 08:38 Report this comment
A point was made by one of the people commenting that life for the 3 commissioners as they had it in salina is about to change. Also sadly life that many of the gays living here also will be changing and not for the good. As many of us already know and we are not gay is that job lose in a bad economy just happens and there is no law to protect you from that. It seems old Aaron seems to be the most vocal well good luck to you. Next is old Barb who has become a turn coat since being elected. Both of you are gone so if you make it to the next election do not waste your money running again. As for the 3rd person Kaye your gone but you just do not know it. We do not need people like these three serving on our commission. Remember look for the petition when it comes out and lets all sign it so we can vote on this.
Erin4equality
Tuesday 15 May 2012 08:39 Report this comment
No - 44 votes (61%) Yes - 26 votes (36% well this says alot dosnt it yup the nation is watching and shaking their heads at how in tollerant your little town is yall gonna be burnin some cross's in the near future!now you back woods ingrates listen here listen well join the rest of America in the 20th century for a bunch of low lifes you sure do enjoy alot of things created from the minds of Lesbian Gay Bi-sexual and Transgender folks whats that you say oh how about Computers ya you know the thing you used to post here with yup made by a Gay man! the software you use to Microsoft supports LGBT equality oh no guess you gotta throw that out! oops I spilled the beans on that one!
Freewill
Tuesday 15 May 2012 08:41 Report this comment
Congrats, we have just fixed a non problem until it is broke. I can see the blow back already starting. And for the record when are Addicts going to be protected?
Erin4equality
Tuesday 15 May 2012 08:52 Report this comment
now to those who care little to understand what LGBT means! first lose the term "lifestyle" to describe any Lesbian Gay Bi sexual or Transgender person "lifestyle" suggests choice LGBT people did not have that option at birth! and as far as a non Homosexual or Transgender person trying to use a restroomfor illicit use transgender people must under go a series of tests and are givin paper work stating that fact that they are transgender a true Gay male would be fairly obvious a Gay male would not use a female restroom!a transgender individual "person" for those with a pea brain and can only quote Bible scriptures is in fact born with the mind of a female the "body" of a male as well as a female to male transgender "person" Transgender people and Gay or Lesbian "people" are not pediophiles or sex addicts we are "people" who wish to be treated with dignity and respect we do not break the "laws" of the LAND perhapes the LAWS of your bible but that dosnt govern this country now does it!
SalinaSenior
Tuesday 15 May 2012 10:21 Report this comment
HAHAHA... the bigots are really upset. Finally, gay people are treated with the dignity they deserve(in this city at least).
SalinaSenior
Tuesday 15 May 2012 10:30 Report this comment
by the looks of some of these comments some of you REALLY need to see an expert for mental disorders. I Well, your imaginations are good, but the loose connection reality:(
SalinaSenior
Tuesday 15 May 2012 10:31 Report this comment
by the looks of some of these comments some of you REALLY need to see an expert for mental disorders. Well, your imaginations are good, but the loose connection to reality:(
plisken
Tuesday 15 May 2012 10:33 Report this comment
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear Leads to Anger. .Anger leads to Hate. . Hate leads to Suffering!. . Master Yoda.
ELB
Tuesday 15 May 2012 10:37 Report this comment
Thank you to those three brave people for seeing that we may not all see eye to eye but that all people still deserve the same rights. You should never be discriminated against because of who you love. This is the 21st century, we should be past discriminating against anyone. For all you Christian folks out there, I believe Jesus preached love not hate. Maybe you should try an open mind and heart like us church people are supposed to have. Love one another despite differences.
pops67401
Tuesday 15 May 2012 12:06 Report this comment
Still no answer why we wasted so much time on this. We already have laws against discriminating. What a waste of time and money. So many other real issues here in Salina that truly need to be taken care of. Over abundance of DUI, Assaults, Stealing, Babies being murdered, Terrible roads, Businesses leaving. It is not a friendly place at all. Just read some of the posts. Why would anyone not from here ever want to come visit...let alone move here.
morningsun
Tuesday 15 May 2012 12:27 Report this comment
Proud to witness history. Let freedom ring! Soon it will be very apparent all the sound bites of massive law siuts and bathroom histeria will be a non issue. Now if only all those "Christians" would get in one room and really learn about unconditional love, we'd be living in a wonderful place.
Iamgonnagetu
Tuesday 15 May 2012 13:08 Report this comment
Well you gays ought to pay attention to history as it has a way of repeating itself. 100 years ago gay people were tared and feathered and rode out of town on a rail. This also happened to politicians as well. Today in some countries gays are stoned to death which is pretty severe. So you all want rights well us non gays want rights as well but you do not always get what you want.
Freewill
Tuesday 15 May 2012 13:47 Report this comment
What about the Locker rooms ladies? Better cover up cause you would never know who is just playing transgender and want to jump in the shower with you.......... of course you could call the police but they would have to say it was a civil matter. Wonder what gym the blonde who voted for this goes to?
Freewill
Tuesday 15 May 2012 13:56 Report this comment
oh and the owner of the gym could not do anything about it, they would just get sued out of business.
magicmike67
Tuesday 15 May 2012 14:33 Report this comment
Alright "Iamgonnagetu" (clever name for the discussion, by the way) - I was going to abstain (that means "to refrain") from commenting on this until I read your previous gem of wisdom. It's nice to see that your user name on here is quite in line with the threats of your last comment. I bet you ARE gonna get "those gays", aren't ya?! You'll just say anything on an anonymous (that means "people don't know your real identity") thread, huh?
magicmike67
Tuesday 15 May 2012 14:33 Report this comment
Let's talk about a few things that happened in the past: - women weren't treated equally - African Americans weren't treated equally - It was illegal to drink alcohol (remember prohibition (that means you can't drink alcohol))? So..."history has a way of repeating itself"? Kindly elaborate (that means "explain") for us all. Oh, you can't? Cause it doesn't really? Oh...ok. I do find it interesting, however, that you ended your last bit of comic genius (it was intended to be comical, right?) with "...So you all want rights well us non gays want rights as well but you do not always get what you want..." Kindly explain which basic human rights have been denied to you in YOUR lifetime. Oh...you can't? Cause you haven't been denied rights? Yeah...I didn't think so.
magicmike67
Tuesday 15 May 2012 14:34 Report this comment
Perhaps I'll leave you with a quote from the Declaration of Independence (that's the little paper thingy that told England we didn't want to be "best buds" anymore): We hold these truths to be self-evident, THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain UNALIENABLE (that means you can't take them away from us) Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Ok...so I added the stuff in parenthesis (the stuff that looks like this "()")...but I was only doing it for your education. By the looks of it, it needed some help.
getumgranny
Tuesday 15 May 2012 14:35 Report this comment
Bottom line, the Genie is out of the bottle, can't put it back in. All you groups that think you should be a protected class, the door has been open for you. As a Senior Citizen, I would love to see a group organized that will fight for OUR rights!! I would love to go enjoy Kenwood Cove this Summer, however, I cannot take the risk of being trampled by so many children. I feel that is discrimination against the Seniors that we are unable to enjoy a City, tax funded facility. To the ones that were supporting this issue, be careful what you wish for!!! To the City Attorney, better start clearing your calender, I suspect you will be pretty busy in the upcoming months.
GetOutside25
Tuesday 15 May 2012 14:54 Report this comment
Most of you need to read this article again. The ordinance that was passed "prohibits discrimination of gay, lesbian or transgender residents in the areas of employment, housing and public accommodations." See the fourth paragraph. Basically a business can't discriminate based on an individuals sexual orientation, nor can landlords or those who rent out housing. They already can't discriminate against race, religion, nationality etc, why would adding these to the list make any difference? Also, I don't know where some of you got the info about gay men using women's restrooms and locker rooms and vice versa, but it seems to me like your just making stuff up because your as ignorant as they come in this world. And really, is any of this going to have a direct effect on your life? Is your world going to be flipped upside-down because your neighbors are "partners"? Come on people!
Freewill
Tuesday 15 May 2012 15:05 Report this comment
@magicmike67: My basic rights get denied all the time. I have to get a virtual strip search whenever I fly. At one point in my life I could not rent a home because I had a bad credit score. I have a basic right to shelter don't I. As a teenager I was fired because I had long hair. I have a right to procreate but if I have more than one women that live in my home that bear my children I get arrested for it. If I wanted to ingest cannabis into my own body I would be arrested, even though the constitution grants me the right to my own body. If you disagree I hope your anti abortion then. Back on topic, every one has and will be denied basic human rights in the USA. It's not fair, but what is?
srjayhawks
Tuesday 15 May 2012 15:07 Report this comment
The 2 commissioners that voted against this should be removed from office. Civil rights are not optional. They are GUARANTEED TO EVERYONE! Bigoted Salina...really, please join the 21st century along with the rest of America.
Freewill
Tuesday 15 May 2012 15:09 Report this comment
@GetOutside25: So much for the "right to refuse service to anyone" business owners better amend the sign with "unless you are granted special class"
magicmike67
Tuesday 15 May 2012 15:21 Report this comment
@FreeWill: Having a bad credit score is YOUR fault - you can fix it. So while housing is a "basic right" (and that's stretching it a bit), if you're score shows that you have trouble paying, they have the right to not rent to you! Also...you don't HAVE to fly - so don't go to the airport. I've had the airport pat down before...I'll agree, its not fun, but I didn't have to fly: that was a choice. I'll agree with you on the hair point (but only slightly) as it could be considered free speech. You DO have the right to your own body (i AM pro choice, by the way) - however, cannabis is currently illegal, so I'd bring up the rights of plants to someone if I were you. And as far as the procreation thing, it's technically only illegal if you marry them.
taz69
Tuesday 15 May 2012 15:39 Report this comment
Just be glad that the gays in the medical community don't refuse to treat you or your mamma because of your beliefs. How do you spot a gay anyway? You really have to be around them. I'll drive you around town and you tell me if that person is gay or not.
GetOutside25
Tuesday 15 May 2012 15:41 Report this comment
@Freewill. Your still not reading the article. This involves employment, housing and public accommodations. Business' can still refuse service to anyone based on anything they want..i.e. no shoes, no shirt no service etc. This ordinance affects job and housing applications so that the individuals applying won't be discriminated against based on their sexual orientation.
getumgranny
Tuesday 15 May 2012 15:42 Report this comment
The simple fact is, we are ALL discriminated against in some form or another on a daily basis. It would be unreasonable to think there could be a law to protect every single form of discrimination. If you are a victim of a crime today, the criminal that committed the crime against you has way more rights than you as the victim, a form of discrimination. I am a white senior citizen woman, we are amongst one of the most discriminated against groups. If I was a young, child bearing woman, I could pop a few kids and get all the assistance I need and want.
Freewill
Tuesday 15 May 2012 15:43 Report this comment
magicmike67: So if a man is born a male and uses his right to change or dress as a women then that is their choice. Because It was my choice to blow off by bills cause I was born lazy I am denied a roof over my head? If a man and a man can get married why should I not be able to have more than one marriage? If they both consent whats the problem. Your right I don't have to fly, But a gay man does not have to have a job or house either that's their choice. I am an addict my genes can prove that but the police point guns at me if I can't help myself from being who I am. I have to live if fear every day That I might get fired or be evicted and I have to prove I am not an addict before they will give me a job.
Freewill
Tuesday 15 May 2012 15:47 Report this comment
I only wish I was gay and be protected by law rather than being harassed by law the law.
Freewill
Tuesday 15 May 2012 15:51 Report this comment
For the record I have no problem with LGBT, but this is just more government control that will cost every body allot of money.
getumgranny
Tuesday 15 May 2012 15:52 Report this comment
I do not care if you are Gay, Lesbian, Transgender, Black, White, Brown, Christian, Jewish, Fat, Skinny, Tall, Short, Long hair, short hair, educated, uneducated, rich, poor, employed, unemployed, Vegan, Vegetarian, Meat eater, Drug dependent, alcoholic, mentally challenged, physically disabled, married, single..... We have all and will all at some point in our lives be discriminated against in some form. Should we all be able to seek an ordinance to protect us?
getumgranny
Tuesday 15 May 2012 15:59 Report this comment
Oh, and to onlooker, I can move into the 21st century and keep my beliefs intact. We are all entitled to believe and think what we choose, I personally do not agree with this decision and will not support it. That's my choice!!!
sassyinks
Tuesday 15 May 2012 16:03 Report this comment
I just wonder how many of you would open up your closed minds, if your son, daughter, brother, or sister had been treated unfairly because of their lifestyle choices, or the appearance of life style choice. Would you be the first one raising hell because your loved one was denied an apartment of their choice, the best job, or medical care? I don’t see any where in this article it says it’s okay for a man to use a woman’s restroom, or locker-room. These are comments that are off-topic, and created by homo-phobic individuals that are using this forum to voice their opinions. (which by the way is a basic right thanks to the constitution that at some point was opposed) All this ordinance is doing is protecting EVERY HUMAN from discrimination. At the end of the day isn’t that what we all are? HUMAN.
THEENFORCER
Tuesday 15 May 2012 16:04 Report this comment
Granny you hit the nail on the head. Besides everything that has been mentioned at getting back at the rogue commissioners the best way to do it now that they have done this is for groups any groups get the right number of signatures on a petition and approach the commission or their bias heritage group and ask for a special addition be added to the ordinance. If they refuse to do so then hit them with a discrimination lawsuit as they did it for the gays so now they set presidence and they have to do it for everyone or group. After enought lawsuits get filed I believe the pressure would be so great the 3 rogue commissioners will resign.
THEENFORCER
Tuesday 15 May 2012 16:09 Report this comment
Hey Aaron come out of the closet an admit your gay or put a ring on that so-called girlfriend's hand. Evidently you like living in sin. Barb why the smug look in the picture? Are you bored or tired of hearing from the taxpayers against the ordiance? Resign why you can and save the taxpayers money. You did not bring Salina into the 21st century you made Salina the laughting stock of Kansas and beyond. Just how mentally handicapped are you?
magicmike67
Tuesday 15 May 2012 16:26 Report this comment
@THEENFORCER: I thought KANSAS was the laughing stock of Kansas? No...?
JMMcC
Tuesday 15 May 2012 19:29 Report this comment
I am surprised this little town has so much hate. Christians just cannot keep their nose out of everyone elses business. Not every person in the world is a christian or white or rich or straight! You say the lgbt community doesn't need their rights protected but your comments and ideology prove otherwise. It would be nice if Salina could be a progressive society.Maybe you can make some gays only signs for the bathrooms and some tranny water fountains. WTF is wrong with you people that you don't think all of our citizens have the right to happiness and to be protected from DISCRIMINATION? Kansas is a hire/fire state and you can be an employer of a gay person and if they don't do their job you can fire them. If you fire them BECAUSE they are different than you, They should sue you for everything you have. For the record most people who hate gays are just projecting their own self loathing and are probably very VERY gay on the inside.
Freewill
Tuesday 15 May 2012 20:27 Report this comment
WTF! Christians? Not one of the comments above use God. You are just hellbent on blaming the Christians. I don't hate LGBT folks, but your habitual blame of Christians is starting to wear thin. This is just one more reason I hope this is overturned and Aaron recalled. the hate that has been spewed from the LGBT group shows how closed minded they are. Wake up and respect others beliefs and other will respect yours. Stop calling every one a bigot, homophob, or laten gays. Please let me know when and where I can sign the petitions.
RONNIEMUR
Tuesday 15 May 2012 20:27 Report this comment
No one should be discriminated against and people should not fear for standing up for that. That said, why the Christian bashing? Most people that try to live by Jesus' don't have a problem with all people having the same rights as human beings. Its only a small percentage that's make the news with radical protests and beliefs. As for me and my house, I will leave the judgement to God.
RONNIEMUR
Tuesday 15 May 2012 20:40 Report this comment
^Jesus' example.
ahh_ahh_Kansas
Tuesday 15 May 2012 22:57 Report this comment
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness--------------------- Kudos to the commission for doing the right thing.------------ FYI "State law allows officials to be recalled for three broad reasons -- misconduct in office, conviction of a felony or failure to perform the duties of the office".
THEENFORCER
Tuesday 15 May 2012 23:17 Report this comment
ahh_ahh I believe failure to perform the duties of the office applies here and also misconduct in office might be good also. We are looking into criminal records for all three commissioners presently to see what skeltons may be in their closets.
THEENFORCER
Tuesday 15 May 2012 23:22 Report this comment
magicmike the gay community is now fair game with targets all over them. Everybody did co-exist in Salina but this group wanted to be special. There has never been any complaints about discrimination as far as jobs, housing or anything else so this all was to push their movement in all our faces nothing else. Now they opened a can of worms and people are not happy to say the least.
THEENFORCER
Tuesday 15 May 2012 23:28 Report this comment
getoutside.... any male person now can enter a woman's toilet or locker room under the guise of being a transgender whether they are or not and the owners of these business's are not going to challenge them in fear of a lawsuit being filed. The world is no longer a safe place to live and people will try and do anything. As a male I am not concerned because if I run into it I will take swift action against any transgender or gay.
ahh_ahh_Kansas
Wednesday 16 May 2012 07:26 Report this comment
Failure to perform the duties of the office means abandoning your seat. Anything they did in the past is irrelevant and not voting the way you think they should is not misconduct. Also, what bathroom do you think transgender people use now? My goodness, these are not difficult concepts.
JMMcC
Wednesday 16 May 2012 07:51 Report this comment
It sounds like THEENFORCER is making threats against members of the community, Wonder why laws like this are enacted? Well there you go. " I will take swift action against any gay or transgender" Looks like THEENFORCER is looking for a date. You know THEENFORCER, they have a little thing called a gay bar you wouldnt have to hang around in bathrooms hoping some guy you think is hot comes in.
Iamgonnagetu
Wednesday 16 May 2012 07:54 Report this comment
Ahh are you a lawyer? Maybe you slept at a holiday inn and think you are. If any of these commissioners have a felony conviction in their backgrounds they are gone plain and simple. One thing for sure there are many people in Salina and other places with very deep negative feelings towards the gay community and you never know what extreme they can take things. As mentioned prior there was no need for any change to the ordinance as these people were already covered by it just like all of us.
Freewill
Wednesday 16 May 2012 07:56 Report this comment
ahh_ahh_Kansas: You fail to explain his misconduct and decorum at public meetings. Talking down his nose to belittle the very citizens who elected him. Oh-well the public will get the last say, and it does not look good.
Iamgonnagetu
Wednesday 16 May 2012 08:04 Report this comment
Magicmike you are a deranged individual. First of all do not try to make a point and answer for me. Evidently you are gay but probably do not live here in Salina. In the future make your point but don't answer for me.
Iamgonnagetu
Wednesday 16 May 2012 08:16 Report this comment
Just look at the picture and see how we were duped into voting for Aaron and Barb. When they were running for election both did not come across like this. Got to give them credit on how they made fools of all us taxpayers that voted for them. FREEWILL hit the nail on the head with Aaron what a disgusting individual to have on the commission. And Barb what a disappointment you have been and just look at yourself in this picture. They say a picture is worth a thousand words.
THEENFORCER
Wednesday 16 May 2012 08:47 Report this comment
jmmcc I know that is where you hang out is gay bars and Thomas Park. For the record I make no threats just tell it like it is. If I am approached by some gay in a men's room I will take appropriate action. But evidently you may be one of the transgenders alot of people been talking about or maybe just a pervert wanting to get into woman's locker rooms or toilets. Woman for the most part would not take any action like a male person would so they are at risk against this type of behavior. There is no way to monitor anyone trying to pull this off and then they have to be caught and arrested before it is brought to light. What a few here in Salina has done is caused an uproar where none was needed and not knowing any better probably you are one of the instigators.
magicmike67
Wednesday 16 May 2012 09:42 Report this comment
@Iamgonnagetu: Deranged? Explain, please. Also - I apologize for answering for you. Should you feel it necessary to answer for yourself, you're welcome to do so now. I'm not certain as to what would make you think that I am gay or that I do not live in Salina - neither of those are true. In the future, please refrain from making points and answering for me. For the record. I am not gay but have strong feelings about equality for all (even you), and as for the Salina part - kindly ask yourself why I would have joined this debate (and I use that term loosely, as "debate" often suggests RESPECTFUL disagreement) if it were not the case.
magicmike67
Wednesday 16 May 2012 09:44 Report this comment
@THEENFORCER - "...any male person now can enter a woman's toilet or locker room under the guise of being a transgender whether they are or not and the owners of these business's are not going to challenge them in fear of a lawsuit being filed." That is just plain incorrect. It is wrong. You are wrong. Please stop using that as an argument. It is factually incorrect.
ahh_ahh_Kansas
Wednesday 16 May 2012 11:07 Report this comment
OK, just so I'm clear. We're recalling Aaron for being rude, Barb for reading her notes during a meeting. Why are we recalling Kay? Because she's a top secret felon?
ahh_ahh_Kansas
Wednesday 16 May 2012 11:08 Report this comment
Still waiting for an answer on where you think transgenders go to the bathroom now?
Freewill
Wednesday 16 May 2012 14:42 Report this comment
This is not a law. It is a municipal ordinance that must first be heard in municipal court. everyone has the right to appeal to district court. District court can only rule on the parts of the ordinance that are supported by state law. Therefore no criminal or civil suit will withstand the dist court unless they have broken state law. We just wasted allot of taxpayer money. If Aaron is smart ( not so sure )they will not pass this on second reading.
GETALIFE674
Thursday 17 May 2012 01:38 Report this comment
ahh_ahh_kansas are all transgenders such as yourself this stupid? Aaron is a lying jerk and will not be elected again so his best choice is to resign. Right now he is the most hated man in Salina. Barb was not reading her notes unless they are written on her arms or the back of her hands. Another that will not be re-elected and needs to resign. The current most hated woman in Salina and the top of your fellow transgenders list of most waiting for to see in the rest room. Kaye just to old to know better but may have a gay family member. As to your question on bathroom use why don't you tell us where you go presently.
RONNIEMUR
Thursday 17 May 2012 04:35 Report this comment
@freewill, Any court above the local may find reason to uphold or overturn any judgement in city court. The perfect example is the case that was recently so public in NY where a city code prohibited gas exploration and the state upheld the city ordinance . Ks' discrimination act 44-1001 has a clause for "familial status" and I have a feeling the term could be used to justify an upheld conviction.
ahh_ahh_Kansas
Thursday 17 May 2012 07:58 Report this comment
I go in whatever bathroom I want to, since there never has been any law prohibiting men from womens rooms or women from mens rooms. Stay classy.
THEENFORCER
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JMMcC
Thursday 17 May 2012 13:31 Report this comment
@ THEENFORCER I am a straight, regular dressing man. I know it is hard for you to understand how a straight guy could support the CIVIL rights of the gay community,but that is because unlike you I am not a bigot. Your last comment like most of them you have made are dispicable and disgusting.Why are you so filled with hate? Mommy not hold ya enough? Maybe Daddy held you too much? You need some serious counseling for the obvious issues in your past. You make our community look bad and your threats against people are funny since you are probably a little crumb of a man and most "faggots" as you call them would beat your B!t(h ass! Get a life and stay the hell out of grown folks business. You're a disgrace to a progressive society!!!
magicmike67
Thursday 17 May 2012 13:50 Report this comment
@JMMcC: Well said. Very well said.
ahh_ahh_Kansas
Thursday 17 May 2012 17:56 Report this comment
hey, did he ever say which bathroom he thinks transgenders use now?
GETALIFE674
Friday 18 May 2012 00:42 Report this comment
First of all administrator if you are going to delete the enforcer's comments you should be deleting a bunch more especially JMMcC. as for you JMMcC there isn't a gay that can beat anyone's butt and you definately need to come out of the closet. Evidently you and ahh ahh like to team up on others well I take the side of the enforcer as they speak the truth which all of you are afraid of. I personally feel sorry for the gays that were thrown under the bus here in salina by others seeking their 15 minutes in the limelight. When this is all said and done they will be the one's suffering from the effects of all of this.
magicmike67
Friday 18 May 2012 15:29 Report this comment
@GETALIFE674: Why is it that if someone chooses to stand up for this, they MUST be gay? Also...when you say things like, "...JMMcC there isn't a gay that can beat anyone's butt and you definately need to come out of the closet.", what makes you say that with so much assurance? I don't intend to start a fight with you - but stuff like this is what makes me mad. Everyone jumps to stereo-typical conclusions such as, "oh..he stood up for gay rights, so he must be gay", or "well...he's gay, so there's no way that he could also be big and strong, too...cause gays are, by nature, weak and scrawny." It's all of this passing judgement stuff that gets me hopped up. What happened to "love thy neighbor"? I'm not suggesting that if you have a belief that you feel strongly about that you should just roll over on it. If you have convictions, stand up for them...but can't we do it without name calling and insults? There's just too much hate.
THEENFORCER
Saturday 19 May 2012 21:27 Report this comment
magicmike ahh jmmcc why don't you all go to thomas park and have fun together. if your straight and love gays great if your not you can do the usual things that go on over there which if straight you condone. The fact is the gays in salina were thrown under the bus by a few with an agenda. The results of which will never turn into a lawsuit down the road and the state will make this ordinace void away's and the commissioners will not be elected. that's the bottom line boys
magicmike67
Sunday 20 May 2012 21:42 Report this comment
@THEENFORCER: I'll tow YOUR bottom line. Ba dum dum.
RedNeckWatch
Monday 10 September 2012 23:45 Report this comment
Yet another VICTORY. The good people of Salina will not overturn the ordinance. God Bless.
GETALIFE674
Tuesday 11 September 2012 08:30 Report this comment
Wrong this will be over turned and then you can continue with your straight bashing calling people names. My question to you is how did you thumb your nose at Todd Pittenger and not get kicked off of here. He told everyone KSAL would not put up with anymore crap and you and your other id's came out and violated his decree immediately. The comments were reported but Todd did nothing how wrong is that to the rest of us that did not need lip service but wanted something done. All weekend without all those comments was great now looks like it starts over again how sad for all of us.
ConservativeR
Tuesday 11 September 2012 12:34 Report this comment
Getalife, I fail to see the point of your verbose comments. We all know by now where your mind is and how you will be voting. Give it a rest and catch your breath.
ConservativeR
Tuesday 11 September 2012 12:43 Report this comment
Getumgranny, you are stating the obvious. Laws don't often change minds. But it is a mistake for anyone to harbor the false notion that they are free to disobey the laws with which they disagree. If you were to try to present that as a defense in a lawsuit you would lose before a jury was ever seated. It is very easy to shift the burden of proof to you to prove that you had a legitimate reason to discriminate, and if you cannot come up with a good reason or the jury does not believe your story, then you can get out your checkbook and write checks for not only the damages awarded to plaintiff, but checks for your court costs and attorney fees and plaintiff's court costs and attorney fees too. Ignorance of the law can indeed be expensive.
Iamgonnagetu
Wednesday 12 September 2012 08:05 Report this comment
Conservative its probably time for the people of our country to take back our country from groups such as these. Just watching people at gun sales buying up every gun they can evidently means they know something the rest of us do not.