Test Scores Counter Argument For More Funding
Travis Perry / Kansas Watchdog - Tue 04:02 PM 08/28/2012
Students’ ACT test scores released last week suggest more money doesn’t improve performance.
The results, released by the state, come as school districts across Kansas on Wednesday will make their respective cases for funding increases.
Kansas high school students who took the ACT this year averaged a composite score of 21.9 out of a possible 36, down from 22 in 2011, though 29 percent of the students met college readiness benchmarks in English, math, reading and science, which is up from 28 percent last year.
Both scores beat the national averages — a 21.1 composite score and 25 percent for college benchmarks.
In the past five years, the Kansas Department of Education said in a news release, the state hasn’t seen much fluctuation in the overall score average. But the trend goes back at least twice as far. In 2002, the average score in Kansas was 21.6.
But while overall ACT performance has remained relatively flat, one number has risen consistently — public education funding.
A decade ago, Kansas schools spent an average of $8,488 per student, according to figures from the Kansas Policy Institute, a Wichita think-tank that advocates for free-market solutions and personal freedom. That number has since risen to $12,454 in the 2011-12 school year.
Kansas funds districts at a rate of $6,932 per pupil, while the remainder is filled out by local property taxes and federal money.
Dave Trabert, KPI President, said state and school officials need to focus on the resources they have rather than simply pump more money into the system.
“Everywhere you look you find information that makes it pretty clear that there’s not a correlation or a causation between spending a lot more money and achieving a lot more; it’s not there,” Trabert said.
Trabert points to states such as Colorado and Texas, saying they spend about $1,000 less per pupil than Kansas while posting better scores on tests like the ACT. He says it’s more important to properly use the resources at hand rather than to throw more money at the problem.
Tom Foster, director for Career Standards and Assessment Services for the Kansas Department of Education, agreed with Trabert — to some extent.
“There’s no one thing that’s going to solve the problem,” Foster said. “I think just putting more money at it without any other changes is not going to work as well as we’d like it to work.”
Foster said state education officials are addressing the issue highlighted by the ACT, which, he said, can be solved at least in part with a greater focus on getting students college- and career-ready.
“Part of the problem with an ACT score is a lot of kids don’t get it until the end of their junior year or the end of their senior year, and then it’s a little late in the game,” Foster said.
Officials with the Kansas National Education Association, the state union for education professionals, could not be reached for comment Monday or Tuesday.
“Money doesn’t make the difference, but putting an effective teacher in front of a kid is the number one thing that’s going to raise achievement levels,” Trabert said.
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Travis Perry is an investigative reporter for KansasWatchdog.org. Watchdog.org is a collection of independent journalists covering state-specific and local government activity. The program began in September 2009, a project of Franklin Center for Government & Public Integrity, a 501(c)3 non-profit organization dedicated to promoting new media journalism.

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RedNeckWatch
Tuesday 28 August 2012 17:01 Report this comment
The Kansas Department of Education did not need to spend money to figure out that it is not money that drives test scores. What drives test scores is good parenting in all aspects of a child's life. A good teacher is nice to have, but if a child does not have a good work ethic and discipline or desire to learn, then a good teacher will make no difference in that child's test scores. Breakdown of the family is what is destroying America, followed closely by, surprise, spending too much money to fund every good idea that some legislator (Republican or Democrat) thinks up.
SalinaLady19
Tuesday 28 August 2012 18:37 Report this comment
RedNeckWatch, I agree that parenting plays a roll in the success of our students. However, I totally think you missed the boat on having a "good teacher" in every classroom. It is not only "nice to have" but necessary. A great teacher can make all the difference! The truth is "money" is important because in order to attract our best to education it takes more money. Teachers are the single most important factor in determining whether a student will be successful or not. Parents are their children's first teachers and play a very vital role, but there have been plenty of bad parents who have raised exceptional individuals. "You can change your stars." I am an example of what great teachers can do. Every child has a right to a qualified, exceptional teacher. If we could attract better teachers.......scores would go up.
RedNeckWatch
Tuesday 28 August 2012 20:09 Report this comment
SalinaLady19 -- I understand what you are saying, but just disagree. exceptional teachers are, by definition, exceptional and not normal. Most teachers are average teachers and average teachers are by definition good teachers. I had 3 exceptional teachers throughout my education in Salina, college, and post graduate education. Average worked fine for me and my friends, who have all worked and earned success to one degree or another. I think we tend to blame teachers way too much for student failure, and having personal experience dealing with parents, see the correlation between engaged and interested parents and successful students. THere are ex captions, of course, but the vast majority of students with parents who don't care or don't keep track of their child's progress are poor students. I also think the statistics are hard to argue with, which are that we spent less for more the further back in time we go. I believe money is at the root of all evil and creates more problems than it solves.
DamiStac
Wednesday 29 August 2012 05:52 Report this comment
Wow, RedNeckWatch as someone who is married to an exceptional teacher, I couldn't agree with you more. My wife is an amazingly exceptional teacher, and while she's only been teaching a few years every year more and more students specifically ask for her class. Even a former student who graduated last year who got a C in her class told his younger brother to take my wife's class as it would better prepare him for the future. All the great talks about my wife aside, if parental involvement isn't there my wife would fall flat. That being said, I HATE statistics because no one ever goes to investigate why.
DamiStac
Wednesday 29 August 2012 05:52 Report this comment
For example: (And I'm not bashing pre-school) Children who attend pre-school tested higher, and learned better than those who did not. It was thought for nearly a decade that pre-school was the reason. Later studies determined that parents who are actively involved enough to put their child in an early childhood educational program are also types of parents who are actively involved in their children's lives and push them to be successful.
DamiStac
Wednesday 29 August 2012 05:56 Report this comment
Furthermore, one commercial many of us hear on the radio lately involves the "National Association of Realtors". The commercial makes a quote stating something to the extent of children whose parents own their own home are more intelligent, have more confidence, and are better equipped. NO KIDDING? The "National Association of Realtors" needs to stop piggy backing off the fact that children who have parents who don't work dead end jobs, and who are sound investors in life are more than likely to succeed. Children with parents who are in control of their finances and don't appear stressed every night are going to be happier. OH MY GOSH right? Anyways, that's my 6am rant!
SalinaLady19
Wednesday 29 August 2012 06:54 Report this comment
Redneckwatch, I see your point. It is true that most middle class students will probably do pretty well with a fairly normal teacher. I guess those aren't the students I was thinking about. So, it seems we are talking about apples and oranges. I am more focused on the students who don't have that parent support you mention. For those kids, the teacher makes all the difference in where they end up. It takes an exceptional teacher to help these students catch up to those who had a better start in life. Maybe this is more about "one size fits all" or rather how it doesn't.
RedNeckWatch
Wednesday 29 August 2012 09:24 Report this comment
ALl of you make excellent points. I would ahve to agree with you SalinaLady19 when it comes to children without parental support. There only hope is to have teachers take them under their wings and try to inspire them to work and learn. ANd I certainly agree that economics makes a huge difference in success because kids and parents who are not under that kind of stress are more likely to succeed. Overall great points.
tgsalina
Wednesday 29 August 2012 09:26 Report this comment
I'd like to congratulate all the commenters so far. This is the first time I've read a story on this site followed by sensible, intelligent responses! Having said that, I think we should be wary of the source of htis info and maybe even question why it was chosen to be published as a news story. It's obviously from a group with an interest in reducing school spending in Kansas, but I don't think there's any clear connection between spending and ACT scores (unless it's studied over a really long time).
amywho
Wednesday 29 August 2012 09:58 Report this comment
I'd have to agree with redneckwatch, I watched the other kids in my class and those who had family problems usally did not succeed well in school. They struggled through elementary and middle schools, and by the time they got to high school, they were labled with "learning disabilities" and put in the special education classes. Which was a load of crock. Most of them were smart and could read just fine, they just lacked the motivation to do their homework and turn it in. And a classmate that I had actually had a learning disability, but he did pretty well with a little help and even went to community college, but his parents were very proactive in his school work. And I come from a school where everyone has most of the same teachers.Yes, some were better than others, and maybe once in a while, they were able to get thru to one of their students. But I would guess that was pretty rare.
amywho
Wednesday 29 August 2012 10:03 Report this comment
I know parents are busy with their jobs and what not, but if they would just turn off the tv and sit down with thier kids every night and just make sure they did their homework, I bet it would make a big difference.
RedNeckWatch
Wednesday 29 August 2012 13:34 Report this comment
YOu are so right amywho. That is the minimum in my opinion. I know of some students over the apst few years who are now at prestigous schools. Their parents TAUGHT them and made sure they LEARNED the lessons being taught at school by going over the homework. I even know 2 group of parents who bought the books and student manuals to learn and follow along to make sure their kids were getting it. ANd it paid off.
Viper
Monday 3 September 2012 10:06 Report this comment
I am sure you were one of them since you dropped out in third grade cause you could not keep up.
RedNeckWatch
Tuesday 4 September 2012 11:19 Report this comment
Viper, this article is above your grade level. I said I knew kids in prestigious school and parents who bout the book and it paid off. It is a success story. You said you think I am one of the success stories since I dropped out of third grade. If you would ahve gone back for your GED you would realize that your statement is not Logical. You actually complimented me when you meant to try to offend me. I am the first person in history who dropped out of third grade but got into a prestigious school. Hahahahahahahahahaha. You bonehead. THink before you speak.
Viper
Tuesday 4 September 2012 18:14 Report this comment
I don't have a GED I have a Diploma. HA VICTORY BOOOYAAAAHHHHH
RedNeckWatch
Wednesday 5 September 2012 11:34 Report this comment
I know you don't have a GED. AS for the diploma, must be a Printshop diploma. I am so happy when you use my material. It means I'm you are reading my posts and feeling my message! Hahahahaha ahahahahaha. SCORE!!!!!!
Iamgonnagetu
Tuesday 18 September 2012 17:05 Report this comment
Look at the salina school system that spends millions of dollars i salaries to personnel that are not teachers. The superintendent alone takes a big cut for himself as do the many principles and vice principles. Lets not forget the monies paid to bilingual personal when we live in a country where English is the language. I want monies to go to the teachers that teach our children. Take a look at the salaries posted for the school district and see the waste.